1 00:00:24,519 --> 00:00:16,080 [Music] 2 00:00:27,609 --> 00:00:24,529 thank you you've heard some very 3 00:00:29,740 --> 00:00:27,619 interesting technologies so far so let's 4 00:00:32,380 --> 00:00:29,750 go a little bit farther and just see 5 00:00:34,990 --> 00:00:32,390 what's there and discuss what we can 6 00:00:37,330 --> 00:00:35,000 believe or not so let's say that you are 7 00:00:39,700 --> 00:00:37,340 an investor and somebody comes to you 8 00:00:43,390 --> 00:00:39,710 with a rotating machine and this 9 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:43,400 rotating machine just keeps on turning 10 00:00:46,780 --> 00:00:45,290 and it's got a little fan blade in front 11 00:00:49,300 --> 00:00:46,790 of it so it's blowing air 12 00:00:51,819 --> 00:00:49,310 it's obviously putting power out there's 13 00:00:54,340 --> 00:00:51,829 no evident power going in and it just 14 00:00:57,670 --> 00:00:54,350 keeps on going and going this happened 15 00:01:01,000 --> 00:00:57,680 to me by the way where I did see this so 16 00:01:04,780 --> 00:01:01,010 the question then is you've seen the 17 00:01:07,420 --> 00:01:04,790 demonstration should you invest or if 18 00:01:09,730 --> 00:01:07,430 not what else do you need to do what 19 00:01:12,069 --> 00:01:09,740 else do you need to know and that's the 20 00:01:14,590 --> 00:01:12,079 question I have in approaching a lot of 21 00:01:17,289 --> 00:01:14,600 these technologies so I'm going to end 22 00:01:19,469 --> 00:01:17,299 this presentation talk about a few 23 00:01:22,980 --> 00:01:19,479 examples of some of these technologies 24 00:01:25,569 --> 00:01:22,990 talk about where the mainstream 25 00:01:28,770 --> 00:01:25,579 mainstream science and technology might 26 00:01:32,949 --> 00:01:28,780 be going wrong in assessing these and 27 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:32,959 then the third part of this is where the 28 00:01:38,679 --> 00:01:36,170 inventors may themselves be going wrong 29 00:01:40,779 --> 00:01:38,689 instead there are many of these if you 30 00:01:42,879 --> 00:01:40,789 take a look on the internet take a look 31 00:01:45,429 --> 00:01:42,889 at YouTube there are lots and lots of 32 00:01:47,499 --> 00:01:45,439 these technologies I don't have time to 33 00:01:50,709 --> 00:01:47,509 go into all of them I'm just going to 34 00:01:53,349 --> 00:01:50,719 pick a few spot examples to talk about 35 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:53,359 very quickly and then go ahead and talk 36 00:01:59,679 --> 00:01:56,450 about the other aspects one thing I will 37 00:02:02,199 --> 00:01:59,689 try to do in this presentation is to 38 00:02:04,629 --> 00:02:02,209 avoid giving my opinion on these 39 00:02:07,870 --> 00:02:04,639 technologies instead I just want to put 40 00:02:12,010 --> 00:02:07,880 them out there for now so you've heard 41 00:02:14,890 --> 00:02:12,020 from Professor Violante about low energy 42 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:14,900 nuclear reaction since pons and 43 00:02:20,860 --> 00:02:19,010 Fleischmann in 1989 who 44 00:02:25,949 --> 00:02:20,870 developed what at the time was called 45 00:02:29,289 --> 00:02:25,959 cold fusion it seems to have existed but 46 00:02:32,589 --> 00:02:29,299 people aren't sure sometimes you get it 47 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:32,599 to work sometimes you don't probably one 48 00:02:40,630 --> 00:02:37,730 of the the most long-term investigator 49 00:02:44,220 --> 00:02:40,640 of this who's gone into great depth is 50 00:02:47,319 --> 00:02:44,230 Micro kübra sitting in the room and 51 00:02:49,839 --> 00:02:47,329 professor Violante is is is one of the 52 00:02:54,250 --> 00:02:49,849 current leaders who's shown us some real 53 00:02:58,390 --> 00:02:54,260 understanding but do we believe it 54 00:03:01,000 --> 00:02:58,400 if you look at somebody like the rossi 55 00:03:06,309 --> 00:03:01,010 ecat many of you have heard about this 56 00:03:09,640 --> 00:03:06,319 this is a supposed to be a large cold 57 00:03:12,099 --> 00:03:09,650 fusion reactor built in Italy he's had a 58 00:03:14,140 --> 00:03:12,109 lot of investors interested he's had 59 00:03:18,729 --> 00:03:14,150 various sorts of tests that have been 60 00:03:20,830 --> 00:03:18,739 carried out since 2011 is it real we 61 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:20,840 still haven't had a truly independent 62 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:24,250 test of this you can ask the question 63 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:27,530 there's another company def Kalyan in 64 00:03:36,580 --> 00:03:30,889 Greece that for a while was considered 65 00:03:41,819 --> 00:03:36,590 the great hope they presented to the 66 00:03:45,129 --> 00:03:41,829 world the the apparently excess energy 67 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:45,139 recently there was an analysis of this 68 00:03:49,710 --> 00:03:47,930 by Gambhir le which essentially 69 00:03:53,099 --> 00:03:49,720 demolished that and showed that in fact 70 00:03:55,689 --> 00:03:53,109 what they exposed as being what they 71 00:03:59,559 --> 00:03:55,699 wanted to show as being excess energy 72 00:04:04,000 --> 00:03:59,569 was probably due to a Mis measurement 73 00:04:07,089 --> 00:04:04,010 where they measured the temperature of a 74 00:04:09,430 --> 00:04:07,099 flow through a certain area and this 75 00:04:11,890 --> 00:04:09,440 temperature showed excess heat but the 76 00:04:13,899 --> 00:04:11,900 flow was completely wrong and so they 77 00:04:18,909 --> 00:04:13,909 actually got much less excess heat than 78 00:04:21,699 --> 00:04:18,919 they had so here I guess I will express 79 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:21,709 an opinion low energy nuclear reaction 80 00:04:25,779 --> 00:04:24,530 is real there's there's at this point I 81 00:04:28,089 --> 00:04:25,789 believe there's no question about it 82 00:04:31,930 --> 00:04:28,099 what it is they're they're still 83 00:04:32,770 --> 00:04:31,940 questions about I have had two PhD 84 00:04:34,870 --> 00:04:32,780 students were 85 00:04:37,060 --> 00:04:34,880 King on low-energy nuclear reaction 86 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:37,070 among other technologies and one of them 87 00:04:41,620 --> 00:04:38,690 was Olga Dmitri Eva who you've heard 88 00:04:46,629 --> 00:04:41,630 from at the SSE she made a presentation 89 00:04:49,659 --> 00:04:46,639 in 2012 and in her work she looked at 90 00:04:52,990 --> 00:04:49,669 one type of low energy nuclear reaction 91 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:53,000 which is a gas phase no process the 92 00:04:58,360 --> 00:04:55,970 reason she chose that is that it seemed 93 00:05:00,760 --> 00:04:58,370 to give excess heat very repeatedly 94 00:05:05,290 --> 00:05:00,770 whereas this liquid phase stuff 95 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:05,300 electrolysis is less predictable and so 96 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:08,890 she did some deep work on this and 97 00:05:15,430 --> 00:05:12,050 demonstrated very clearly that it was 98 00:05:17,650 --> 00:05:15,440 not due to any sort of nuclear fusion 99 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:17,660 but in fact was a chemical reaction that 100 00:05:23,170 --> 00:05:20,570 when you've got deuterium in the 101 00:05:24,310 --> 00:05:23,180 presence of water contamination which is 102 00:05:27,550 --> 00:05:24,320 nearly always there 103 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:27,560 the deuterium replaces the hydrogen in 104 00:05:31,570 --> 00:05:29,090 the water that's an exothermic reaction 105 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:31,580 and you get excess heat and if you're 106 00:05:36,610 --> 00:05:34,010 not careful you can mistake it for being 107 00:05:38,590 --> 00:05:36,620 fusion and she showed this both putting 108 00:05:40,840 --> 00:05:38,600 the hydrogen in taking the hydrogen out 109 00:05:43,270 --> 00:05:40,850 in deuterium and so on 110 00:05:49,029 --> 00:05:43,280 another type of reaction that she looked 111 00:05:52,779 --> 00:05:49,039 at was a gas phase measurement in a 112 00:05:56,830 --> 00:05:52,789 uniform temperature chamber which is a 113 00:05:59,790 --> 00:05:56,840 sort of calorimeter that people used for 114 00:06:02,020 --> 00:05:59,800 these measurements and and the 115 00:06:05,290 --> 00:06:02,030 instrument that she looked at is a very 116 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:05,300 high quality system which is supposed to 117 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:07,130 maintain the temperature within a small 118 00:06:12,850 --> 00:06:09,890 fraction of a degree but what she found 119 00:06:16,029 --> 00:06:12,860 was that slight variations in the 120 00:06:20,320 --> 00:06:16,039 temperature inside that chamber could 121 00:06:22,029 --> 00:06:20,330 lead to extremely misleading amounts of 122 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:22,039 excess heat that you believed were 123 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:24,289 produced in the system so you would 124 00:06:30,870 --> 00:06:26,090 think you're getting excess heat when in 125 00:06:34,090 --> 00:06:33,100 asymmetries temperature gradients in the 126 00:06:36,790 --> 00:06:34,100 system and she showed this 127 00:06:39,460 --> 00:06:36,800 experimentally theoretically and through 128 00:06:42,010 --> 00:06:39,470 simulations so what's the point here the 129 00:06:43,630 --> 00:06:42,020 point is that you've got to be very very 130 00:06:47,500 --> 00:06:43,640 careful you've got to do the sort of 131 00:06:51,130 --> 00:06:47,510 careful work that dr. Violante has been 132 00:06:53,170 --> 00:06:51,140 doing we heard about the pap engine so 133 00:06:55,570 --> 00:06:53,180 the pap engine apparently was 134 00:06:58,120 --> 00:06:55,580 demonstrated there's lots of evidence it 135 00:07:01,649 --> 00:06:58,130 was demonstrated it was also mocked what 136 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:01,659 do you believe there's another type of 137 00:07:08,469 --> 00:07:04,250 exotic energy technology called 138 00:07:10,270 --> 00:07:08,479 cavitation in cavitation bubbles are 139 00:07:12,700 --> 00:07:10,280 formed in a liquid and these bubbles 140 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:12,710 collapse and when they collapse they 141 00:07:19,390 --> 00:07:17,090 collapse very violently and in fact the 142 00:07:23,649 --> 00:07:19,400 collapse can be supersonic and then can 143 00:07:28,210 --> 00:07:23,659 eject material so intensely that that 144 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:28,220 material might produce fusion telle 145 00:07:38,170 --> 00:07:33,770 Arkin showed this at Purdue in 2004 and 146 00:07:40,750 --> 00:07:38,180 he was later accused of fraud and his 147 00:07:42,460 --> 00:07:40,760 career essentially was demolished what's 148 00:07:44,620 --> 00:07:42,470 the truth there 149 00:07:48,490 --> 00:07:44,630 more recently mark LeClair has 150 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:48,500 demonstrated cavitation and he's shown a 151 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:51,050 whole array of nuclear products that 152 00:07:56,890 --> 00:07:52,970 come out of this cavitation reaction 153 00:08:00,960 --> 00:07:56,900 including unfortunately radiation 154 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:00,970 poisoning of himself and his lab partner 155 00:08:08,230 --> 00:08:05,930 is this real what can you do with it 156 00:08:09,820 --> 00:08:08,240 backlight power has been around for a 157 00:08:11,860 --> 00:08:09,830 number of years I've sort of followed 158 00:08:15,610 --> 00:08:11,870 their website for for more than a decade 159 00:08:17,830 --> 00:08:15,620 and periodically they say that they're 160 00:08:21,130 --> 00:08:17,840 going they've got a product it's about 161 00:08:24,460 --> 00:08:21,140 to come out it's going to be sold and it 162 00:08:29,170 --> 00:08:24,470 produces excess energy how does this 163 00:08:31,899 --> 00:08:29,180 work the the leader the president dr. 164 00:08:34,449 --> 00:08:31,909 Mills has a theory of a hide Reno which 165 00:08:38,020 --> 00:08:34,459 is a sub ground state hydrogen atom that 166 00:08:42,250 --> 00:08:38,030 is used in this nickel hydride type of 167 00:08:44,590 --> 00:08:42,260 system to produce excess energy they've 168 00:08:49,420 --> 00:08:44,600 raised more than 60 million dollars over 169 00:08:51,939 --> 00:08:49,430 this period of time is it real another 170 00:08:55,960 --> 00:08:51,949 one that I find fascinating is T Henry 171 00:08:58,569 --> 00:08:55,970 Henry Moray in the early 20th century he 172 00:09:01,269 --> 00:08:58,579 repeatedly demonstrated the 173 00:09:03,129 --> 00:09:01,279 could capture atmospheric radiation and 174 00:09:04,660 --> 00:09:03,139 he had this system where he had a big 175 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:04,670 roll of light bulbs that were 176 00:09:09,879 --> 00:09:06,290 illuminated by the energy that was 177 00:09:12,910 --> 00:09:09,889 captured it's a lot like by the way to 178 00:09:15,639 --> 00:09:12,920 test some Tesla systems for gathering 179 00:09:19,539 --> 00:09:15,649 atmospheric radiation is this real can 180 00:09:21,879 --> 00:09:19,549 we use it we've got to be careful there 181 00:09:23,259 --> 00:09:21,889 are over statements in the field there 182 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:23,269 are these two characters 183 00:09:33,939 --> 00:09:29,170 - Modell and they purportedly invented a 184 00:09:36,669 --> 00:09:33,949 scheme for harvesting zero-point energy 185 00:09:38,530 --> 00:09:36,679 actually Bernie high-ish is here and he 186 00:09:42,789 --> 00:09:38,540 came up with this idea and worked with 187 00:09:44,859 --> 00:09:42,799 me on demonstrating it and we've done a 188 00:09:47,999 --> 00:09:44,869 number of experiments they were reported 189 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:48,009 here at the SSE several times I 190 00:09:56,829 --> 00:09:50,569 presented this at a different meeting 191 00:09:58,600 --> 00:09:56,839 about a year and a half ago and I was 192 00:10:00,009 --> 00:09:58,610 very careful at the beginning of the 193 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:00,019 presentation at the end of the 194 00:10:06,249 --> 00:10:03,290 presentation to say that the results are 195 00:10:08,439 --> 00:10:06,259 ambiguous they're not proven we do get 196 00:10:11,139 --> 00:10:08,449 excess heat we don't know that it's due 197 00:10:13,809 --> 00:10:11,149 to a zero point energy source and 198 00:10:15,479 --> 00:10:13,819 further work is required to draw firm 199 00:10:18,489 --> 00:10:15,489 conclusions I even wrote this on a slide 200 00:10:21,309 --> 00:10:18,499 then a little bit later a report came 201 00:10:23,729 --> 00:10:21,319 out from that meeting and the report 202 00:10:27,100 --> 00:10:23,739 stated and it's down here in the green 203 00:10:29,289 --> 00:10:27,110 their unusual theory of constricting a 204 00:10:31,749 --> 00:10:29,299 gas atom quantum mechanically and then 205 00:10:32,319 --> 00:10:31,759 looking for a release of energy actually 206 00:10:34,629 --> 00:10:32,329 worked 207 00:10:38,169 --> 00:10:34,639 showing that zero-point energy can be 208 00:10:40,389 --> 00:10:38,179 utilized to produce energy you've got to 209 00:10:42,909 --> 00:10:40,399 be careful what you believe you really 210 00:10:45,850 --> 00:10:42,919 have got to be careful so what can we 211 00:10:48,699 --> 00:10:45,860 believe there are a number of reasons 212 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:48,709 that the mainstream goes wrong one of 213 00:10:50,949 --> 00:10:49,850 these has to do with information 214 00:10:53,829 --> 00:10:50,959 Cascades 215 00:10:56,619 --> 00:10:53,839 the idea here is that an expert gives an 216 00:10:58,720 --> 00:10:56,629 erroneous opinion and it remains despite 217 00:11:00,970 --> 00:10:58,730 all sorts of contradictory evidence and 218 00:11:04,389 --> 00:11:00,980 there are many examples the poster child 219 00:11:07,299 --> 00:11:04,399 for this is a guy called an selkies who 220 00:11:09,069 --> 00:11:07,309 was a nutritionist in the 1950s and 221 00:11:12,020 --> 00:11:09,079 based on an incomplete study 222 00:11:13,940 --> 00:11:12,030 he said that fat is bad for you 223 00:11:19,060 --> 00:11:13,950 and we should be eating carbohydrates 224 00:11:24,340 --> 00:11:19,070 and protein but not fat and this set off 225 00:11:28,070 --> 00:11:24,350 sixty years of false and inappropriate 226 00:11:29,660 --> 00:11:28,080 dietary recommendations in the United 227 00:11:31,910 --> 00:11:29,670 States and elsewhere in the world 228 00:11:37,340 --> 00:11:31,920 many people suffer many people died 229 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:37,350 because of this incorrect information 230 00:11:41,990 --> 00:11:39,330 and in fact there was evidence that he 231 00:11:44,210 --> 00:11:42,000 was wrong right away in the 50s but he 232 00:11:46,910 --> 00:11:44,220 was the expert he said it and it's stuck 233 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:46,920 and it's stuck and only recently are we 234 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:48,570 finally learning that eating good fats 235 00:11:53,090 --> 00:11:51,090 is actually very good for you there are 236 00:11:57,140 --> 00:11:53,100 other ones there are lots and lots of 237 00:11:59,870 --> 00:11:57,150 them water fluoridation sun exposure and 238 00:12:02,590 --> 00:11:59,880 a question is does this also apply to a 239 00:12:04,370 --> 00:12:02,600 new sort of energy sources is there a 240 00:12:07,310 --> 00:12:04,380 cascade that's going in the wrong 241 00:12:10,610 --> 00:12:07,320 direction there's also the issue of 242 00:12:12,830 --> 00:12:10,620 consensus scientific consensus says that 243 00:12:19,730 --> 00:12:12,840 these new energy technologies are bunk 244 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:19,740 that that Violante Sheahan pap all of 245 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:23,450 these guys are clear quacks is that true 246 00:12:30,590 --> 00:12:28,290 so we know from kuhn from the structure 247 00:12:33,560 --> 00:12:30,600 of scientific revolutions that science 248 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:33,570 goes through various paradigms where 249 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:35,730 evidence keeps building up that 250 00:12:39,860 --> 00:12:37,890 something is wrong people say no no no 251 00:12:41,600 --> 00:12:39,870 the what we believe is right it's right 252 00:12:44,690 --> 00:12:41,610 it's right until finally there's a 253 00:12:47,330 --> 00:12:44,700 revolution and things change and so we 254 00:12:49,340 --> 00:12:47,340 have seen many examples of consensus 255 00:12:51,530 --> 00:12:49,350 science there there's very many of them 256 00:12:54,260 --> 00:12:51,540 so there was the consensus which was 257 00:12:56,300 --> 00:12:54,270 against Galileo in heliocentric solar 258 00:12:59,630 --> 00:12:56,310 system there was the consensus for many 259 00:13:02,420 --> 00:12:59,640 years that was against a Wegener and a 260 00:13:05,540 --> 00:13:02,430 continental drift there's a consensus 261 00:13:07,250 --> 00:13:05,550 right now about anthropogenic causes for 262 00:13:09,290 --> 00:13:07,260 climate change I'm not saying it's wrong 263 00:13:10,820 --> 00:13:09,300 or right but doesn't it's sort of 264 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:10,830 consensus science and there are many 265 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:14,490 more what should we say about consensus 266 00:13:18,590 --> 00:13:16,770 Michael Crichton was very clear about it 267 00:13:21,860 --> 00:13:18,600 and this is just one of a number of 268 00:13:24,860 --> 00:13:21,870 statements he said consensus is involved 269 00:13:25,820 --> 00:13:24,870 invoked only in situations where the 270 00:13:28,850 --> 00:13:25,830 science is now 271 00:13:33,740 --> 00:13:28,860 solid enough just because everybody says 272 00:13:35,750 --> 00:13:33,750 so doesn't make it so so that's one side 273 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:35,760 now let's take a look at the other side 274 00:13:40,940 --> 00:13:38,370 where can inventors go wrong where do 275 00:13:43,550 --> 00:13:40,950 some of these inventors go wrong I've 276 00:13:45,500 --> 00:13:43,560 been exposed to this because I'm an 277 00:13:47,900 --> 00:13:45,510 academic position and people know I work 278 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:47,910 on new energy technologies and so I get 279 00:13:54,620 --> 00:13:50,130 emails and calls and things to referee 280 00:13:56,420 --> 00:13:54,630 and I've seen now many times this the 281 00:14:02,260 --> 00:13:56,430 the sort of flaws that I'm going to 282 00:14:05,330 --> 00:14:02,270 present to you and they're based on I 283 00:14:08,930 --> 00:14:05,340 believe this this this dumbing Krueger 284 00:14:11,750 --> 00:14:08,940 effect and the the idea here it's a this 285 00:14:14,510 --> 00:14:11,760 is a psychological effect in which there 286 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:14,520 are two types of cognitive bias one is 287 00:14:17,420 --> 00:14:16,650 where unskilled people don't recognize 288 00:14:21,020 --> 00:14:17,430 they're stupid 289 00:14:23,660 --> 00:14:21,030 and so they rape their ability much 290 00:14:25,100 --> 00:14:23,670 higher than is accurate and stupid is a 291 00:14:26,780 --> 00:14:25,110 relative sense here I mean in other 292 00:14:29,270 --> 00:14:26,790 words they're uninformed in one 293 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:29,280 particular field on the other hand 294 00:14:33,310 --> 00:14:31,170 highly skilled people think everybody 295 00:14:36,590 --> 00:14:33,320 knows what they know and they underrate 296 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:36,600 what they're saying and so you see this 297 00:14:40,910 --> 00:14:38,730 sort of a curve here where if you look 298 00:14:43,910 --> 00:14:40,920 at experience the very inexperienced 299 00:14:46,250 --> 00:14:43,920 people are the ones who are making the 300 00:14:47,870 --> 00:14:46,260 the grand statements I have to say I've 301 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:47,880 been in that position myself when I 302 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:50,370 start off in a new field I often think I 303 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:52,890 understand everything until I realize I 304 00:14:59,900 --> 00:14:57,090 don't so our new energy inventors in 305 00:15:02,360 --> 00:14:59,910 this category one thing that I've seen 306 00:15:04,370 --> 00:15:02,370 over and over and over I saw it just two 307 00:15:06,820 --> 00:15:04,380 weeks ago again I was looking up the PAP 308 00:15:10,370 --> 00:15:06,830 engine there was there's a YouTube video 309 00:15:12,710 --> 00:15:10,380 showing somebody measuring the output of 310 00:15:14,810 --> 00:15:12,720 the up there PAP engine they measure the 311 00:15:17,090 --> 00:15:14,820 voltage they they see this they measure 312 00:15:18,500 --> 00:15:17,100 the current they see that they multiply 313 00:15:20,570 --> 00:15:18,510 the two together say that's the power 314 00:15:22,730 --> 00:15:20,580 and sale so we got we got more power out 315 00:15:26,330 --> 00:15:22,740 than we put in so let's take a look at 316 00:15:30,110 --> 00:15:26,340 that if you look at a sinusoidal lead 317 00:15:32,690 --> 00:15:30,120 varying voltage in the blue here and a 318 00:15:35,450 --> 00:15:32,700 sinusoidal e varying current in the red 319 00:15:37,820 --> 00:15:35,460 voltage times current is power and so 320 00:15:39,590 --> 00:15:37,830 the green shows you the power and the 321 00:15:44,210 --> 00:15:39,600 power in this case is paw 322 00:15:47,690 --> 00:15:44,220 it goes through two cycles if we then 323 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:47,700 take a look at a voltage and current 324 00:15:51,950 --> 00:15:49,650 that are out of phase with each other 325 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:51,960 and you multiply them together you get a 326 00:15:55,970 --> 00:15:54,210 sinusoidal oscillation that goes 327 00:15:59,210 --> 00:15:55,980 positive and negative this is called 328 00:16:01,460 --> 00:15:59,220 reactive power it does not give you any 329 00:16:03,140 --> 00:16:01,470 real power you cannot measure measure 330 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:03,150 voltage and power separately you've 331 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:05,010 gotta measure them together there's the 332 00:16:09,020 --> 00:16:07,290 second law of thermodynamics Daniel 333 00:16:11,270 --> 00:16:09,030 Sheehan certainly explained that to us 334 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:11,280 one in one way of stating it is that 335 00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:13,530 it's impossible to convert heat from a 336 00:16:17,750 --> 00:16:15,150 system at uniform temperature and to 337 00:16:20,900 --> 00:16:17,760 work so I was emailed this invention 338 00:16:23,870 --> 00:16:20,910 it's essentially what I'm gonna show you 339 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:23,880 a triangular chamber with some gas in it 340 00:16:29,630 --> 00:16:26,730 the gas is going to bounce dominantly 341 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:29,640 towards the fat end of the chamber 342 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:31,170 because every time it hits this wall 343 00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:33,090 it'll bounce to the left and that's what 344 00:16:38,450 --> 00:16:36,000 you see here you could make a version of 345 00:16:40,340 --> 00:16:38,460 this which is circular and so the gas is 346 00:16:42,890 --> 00:16:40,350 going to go sort of around and around in 347 00:16:44,330 --> 00:16:42,900 the circle and the idea was you can 348 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:44,340 invent you can have gas just 349 00:16:48,200 --> 00:16:45,930 continuously flowing you can make a 350 00:16:50,690 --> 00:16:48,210 motor that goes forever and ever does it 351 00:16:53,060 --> 00:16:50,700 work well there's a problem here and 352 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:53,070 that is and this is classical second law 353 00:16:58,820 --> 00:16:56,610 stuff there's going to be a buildup of 354 00:17:00,680 --> 00:16:58,830 gas on one side so there will be this 355 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:00,690 bouncing of the gas preferentially in 356 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:02,490 one direction but there's also going to 357 00:17:06,500 --> 00:17:03,930 be a diffusion gradient in the other 358 00:17:08,210 --> 00:17:06,510 direction and a gas will diffuse in the 359 00:17:11,569 --> 00:17:08,220 other way and you end up with no net 360 00:17:14,030 --> 00:17:11,579 motion so does the second law always 361 00:17:17,750 --> 00:17:14,040 apply Daniel Sheehan beautifully 362 00:17:18,439 --> 00:17:17,760 described an example where it doesn't it 363 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:18,449 does apply 364 00:17:25,010 --> 00:17:22,170 I believe mostly near equilibrium and in 365 00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:25,020 closed systems maybe not always where 366 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:26,400 does it not apply well it certainly 367 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:28,650 doesn't apply far from equilibrium in 368 00:17:33,770 --> 00:17:31,170 fast changing systems and open systems 369 00:17:36,410 --> 00:17:33,780 and in other cases then we've got the 370 00:17:38,660 --> 00:17:36,420 case of conservation of energy that the 371 00:17:43,970 --> 00:17:38,670 total energy of a closed system does not 372 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:43,980 change well I was reviewing a little 373 00:17:48,440 --> 00:17:46,650 article a while ago in which somebody 374 00:17:50,690 --> 00:17:48,450 said he had a very simple demonstration 375 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:50,700 for how conservation of energy can be 376 00:17:55,149 --> 00:17:52,970 broken and it can be broken simply 377 00:17:58,240 --> 00:17:55,159 accelerating an object with a constant 378 00:18:02,080 --> 00:17:58,250 force so according to this paper what 379 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:02,090 you do is you just give a constant push 380 00:18:07,029 --> 00:18:05,330 to an object and I won't go through the 381 00:18:09,610 --> 00:18:07,039 arithmetic right here but you can very 382 00:18:11,909 --> 00:18:09,620 easily show that the kinetic energy the 383 00:18:14,350 --> 00:18:11,919 energy of motion of this particle 384 00:18:16,419 --> 00:18:14,360 increases with time squared 385 00:18:19,450 --> 00:18:16,429 when you're applying a constant velocity 386 00:18:23,230 --> 00:18:19,460 it goes as velocity of energy is the 387 00:18:25,860 --> 00:18:23,240 velocity squared and the energy the 388 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:25,870 kinetic energy goes as time squared 389 00:18:32,890 --> 00:18:29,450 so therefore and this was in in that 390 00:18:36,580 --> 00:18:32,900 paper if you have energy versus time 391 00:18:38,590 --> 00:18:36,590 there's a cumulative increase in the 392 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:38,600 input energy that goes linearly with 393 00:18:43,630 --> 00:18:40,250 time because you're just applying 394 00:18:48,340 --> 00:18:43,640 constant force and the kinetic energy of 395 00:18:51,370 --> 00:18:48,350 the particle eventually is parabolic and 396 00:18:53,230 --> 00:18:51,380 increases faster and so eventually it 397 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:53,240 exceeds the input energy and there is a 398 00:18:58,450 --> 00:18:55,730 simple demonstration of how conservation 399 00:19:00,730 --> 00:18:58,460 of energy can be broken however if you 400 00:19:03,700 --> 00:19:00,740 look a little more closely at it you can 401 00:19:07,029 --> 00:19:03,710 say no new energy is not created because 402 00:19:09,130 --> 00:19:07,039 if you replying a constant force to an 403 00:19:10,990 --> 00:19:09,140 accelerating object that means that 404 00:19:13,210 --> 00:19:11,000 you've got to be pushing harder you've 405 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:13,220 got to put more and more energy into it 406 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:15,650 as the object gets faster and faster so 407 00:19:22,779 --> 00:19:20,090 in fact the cumulative energy that you 408 00:19:26,470 --> 00:19:22,789 put in increases at the same rate as the 409 00:19:30,549 --> 00:19:26,480 kinetic energy of the of the system so 410 00:19:34,770 --> 00:19:30,559 we we know these things and yet we make 411 00:19:39,549 --> 00:19:34,780 these errors so what can we believe 412 00:19:46,029 --> 00:19:39,559 maybe at a future SSC talk I will 413 00:19:49,630 --> 00:19:46,039 present you the answer to that so in the 414 00:19:52,299 --> 00:19:49,640 meantime what I'd like to do is set up a 415 00:19:54,370 --> 00:19:52,309 lab at the University of Colorado to 416 00:19:57,490 --> 00:19:54,380 look at these things and the idea is to 417 00:20:00,899 --> 00:19:57,500 investigate a small group of select 418 00:20:06,090 --> 00:20:00,909 energy technologies and this would be 419 00:20:08,130 --> 00:20:06,100 run a lot like what my and 420 00:20:10,140 --> 00:20:08,140 my PhD students who've worked on new 421 00:20:12,870 --> 00:20:10,150 energy technologies have done so far and 422 00:20:14,610 --> 00:20:12,880 that is they're advocates for the energy 423 00:20:16,919 --> 00:20:14,620 we're not a debunking lab we're not 424 00:20:19,169 --> 00:20:16,929 trying to disprove something what we're 425 00:20:21,120 --> 00:20:19,179 trying to do is understand it and we dig 426 00:20:24,450 --> 00:20:21,130 and we dig and we dig and we look into 427 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:24,460 it very deeply and try to nurture the 428 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:27,370 technologies and understand them if we 429 00:20:32,190 --> 00:20:29,650 find it works great if we find it 430 00:20:33,870 --> 00:20:32,200 doesn't work so be it and we'll decide 431 00:20:36,810 --> 00:20:33,880 it doesn't work and we published the the 432 00:20:40,590 --> 00:20:36,820 negative results as well this requires 433 00:20:42,930 --> 00:20:40,600 skilled students it this is one really 434 00:20:44,940 --> 00:20:42,940 needs to do again I I'm sorry to keep 435 00:20:47,070 --> 00:20:44,950 referring to you but the sort of quality 436 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:47,080 work that dr. Violante has done where 437 00:20:53,909 --> 00:20:49,809 you just dig and dig until you finally 438 00:20:55,919 --> 00:20:53,919 get to it and it's clearly going to need 439 00:20:59,909 --> 00:20:55,929 some major donations which I do not have 440 00:21:00,840 --> 00:20:59,919 yet the results will be that we will 441 00:21:03,299 --> 00:21:00,850 know what to believe 442 00:21:05,580 --> 00:21:03,309 and so I can try to answer these 443 00:21:07,890 --> 00:21:05,590 questions too a little better and that 444 00:21:09,930 --> 00:21:07,900 we can develop some problem promising 445 00:21:13,169 --> 00:21:09,940 candidate technologies and actually 446 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:13,179 produce the excess energy that the world 447 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:15,290 so much needs thank you 448 00:21:30,239 --> 00:21:29,100 your point your point about we're 449 00:21:32,639 --> 00:21:30,249 inventors go wrong 450 00:21:36,060 --> 00:21:32,649 Bernie Carlson and talking about Tesla 451 00:21:38,340 --> 00:21:36,070 when he was in Colorado was that he was 452 00:21:40,499 --> 00:21:38,350 too interested in finding confirmations 453 00:21:42,450 --> 00:21:40,509 didn't spend enough time looking for dis 454 00:21:44,609 --> 00:21:42,460 confirmations that fits the sort of 455 00:21:47,100 --> 00:21:44,619 cognitive dissonance thing yes so that 456 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:47,110 if you're really excited about this you 457 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:49,450 want to see something consistent with 458 00:21:53,580 --> 00:21:51,490 your expectations so that if you're 459 00:21:55,019 --> 00:21:53,590 going to really do the work then yep as 460 00:21:56,279 --> 00:21:55,029 you say you don't have to keep going and 461 00:22:03,509 --> 00:21:56,289 you have to check for the dis 462 00:22:08,389 --> 00:22:03,519 confirmations good yeah nice talk 463 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:08,399 I applaud your notion of setting up a 464 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:13,090 dispassionate scientific laboratory to 465 00:22:18,899 --> 00:22:16,210 look into these emerging technologies 466 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:18,909 and there is no coordinated way of doing 467 00:22:25,109 --> 00:22:21,369 that right now and I mean some of these 468 00:22:28,350 --> 00:22:25,119 things are clearly true I joke pops 469 00:22:31,379 --> 00:22:28,360 engine Brant it's ridiculous it's 470 00:22:33,899 --> 00:22:31,389 impossible but it did run and therefore 471 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:33,909 it needs to be investigated further and 472 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:37,450 when arpa-e was first mooted and they 473 00:22:42,509 --> 00:22:39,610 put out their first call for for 474 00:22:44,279 --> 00:22:42,519 solicitations I submitted a proposal to 475 00:22:46,999 --> 00:22:44,289 do basically that you know set up a 476 00:22:51,779 --> 00:22:47,009 laboratory at a central clearinghouse 477 00:22:55,499 --> 00:22:51,789 for alternative energy projects that's 478 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:55,509 all right yes all right and seemed to me 479 00:22:59,389 --> 00:22:57,490 a very rational thing to do have a hub 480 00:23:02,279 --> 00:22:59,399 you know have some centralized 481 00:23:06,029 --> 00:23:02,289 instrumentation have established a 482 00:23:09,210 --> 00:23:06,039 discipline a lot of these inventors work 483 00:23:11,369 --> 00:23:09,220 by themselves working by yourself is an 484 00:23:14,519 --> 00:23:11,379 easy way to fall into the error of 485 00:23:17,899 --> 00:23:14,529 systemic effects that you fully 486 00:23:21,779 --> 00:23:17,909 understand so you need adult supervision 487 00:23:24,580 --> 00:23:21,789 yes and seem to be like a great idea so 488 00:23:26,940 --> 00:23:24,590 I submitted the proposal to Harper 489 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:26,950 round of solicitation it came back 490 00:23:32,919 --> 00:23:31,250 unreviewed right right so although it 491 00:23:35,019 --> 00:23:32,929 seems like a good idea to you and it 492 00:23:37,630 --> 00:23:35,029 seems like a good idea to me it doesn't 493 00:23:39,340 --> 00:23:37,640 seem like a good idea to our masters 494 00:23:42,510 --> 00:23:39,350 this is not going to be funded by the 495 00:23:44,919 --> 00:23:42,520 government this is going to be funded by 496 00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:44,929 private philanthropists who really 497 00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,090 our Garrett you mentioned T Henry Morris 498 00:24:02,760 --> 00:23:59,919 worked back in the 1920s and 30s which a 499 00:24:05,310 --> 00:24:02,770 lot of people know about have you 500 00:24:08,730 --> 00:24:05,320 investigated that to any degree to find 501 00:24:11,940 --> 00:24:08,740 out if anyone is doing anything on that 502 00:24:14,730 --> 00:24:11,950 I understand his son wasn't you know had 503 00:24:16,380 --> 00:24:14,740 preserved his papers and research at 504 00:24:19,049 --> 00:24:16,390 least but I don't know what has 505 00:24:21,389 --> 00:24:19,059 transpired since then or if the son is 506 00:24:24,990 --> 00:24:21,399 doing any research or if maybe somebody 507 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:25,000 is working for him he knew elucidate us 508 00:24:31,169 --> 00:24:28,690 on the status of that at any degree so I 509 00:24:32,940 --> 00:24:31,179 you know I this this lab has not been 510 00:24:35,370 --> 00:24:32,950 established I haven't really dug into 511 00:24:39,180 --> 00:24:35,380 things more deeply than one simply can 512 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:39,190 by internet searches and so on and yes 513 00:24:44,669 --> 00:24:42,730 his son is promoting the technology he 514 00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:44,679 as far as I understand he has not done 515 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:49,510 any experiments and we're sort of 516 00:24:53,940 --> 00:24:51,730 waiting we're waiting for somebody who's 517 00:24:56,279 --> 00:24:53,950 to demonstrate it this is not a hard one 518 00:25:01,860 --> 00:24:56,289 to demonstrate it really is not a hard 519 00:25:14,350 --> 00:25:01,870 one to demonstrate further questions for 520 00:25:25,150 --> 00:25:20,350 thanks a lot for the great work I'm I'm 521 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:25,160 interested in this very much here in the 522 00:25:35,290 --> 00:25:32,210 Bay Area myself as a proponent I'm I'm 523 00:25:40,210 --> 00:25:35,300 really also concerned with the sort of 524 00:25:42,780 --> 00:25:40,220 overarching sort of feel the great God's 525 00:25:45,940 --> 00:25:42,790 the Overlord the seers of corporate 526 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:45,950 reality that sort of like like raise 527 00:25:50,260 --> 00:25:48,290 their eyebrows and what I sort of have 528 00:25:53,530 --> 00:25:50,270 their drones listening in if possible 529 00:25:55,930 --> 00:25:53,540 during these you know formative moments 530 00:26:00,040 --> 00:25:55,940 of these interest areas that you like 531 00:26:02,170 --> 00:26:00,050 you're discussing the the role of the 532 00:26:04,030 --> 00:26:02,180 academic world is kind of be interesting 533 00:26:06,550 --> 00:26:04,040 in relation to that is interesting this 534 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:06,560 is not just a funding thing it turns out 535 00:26:12,430 --> 00:26:09,530 to be a tap a funding tap is kind of 536 00:26:14,290 --> 00:26:12,440 like a you go on water cold water hot 537 00:26:16,150 --> 00:26:14,300 water or no water you know kind of think 538 00:26:19,450 --> 00:26:16,160 that's right how about an applied 539 00:26:21,490 --> 00:26:19,460 drought you know kind of thing so but 540 00:26:24,970 --> 00:26:21,500 I'm also interested in in the other 541 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:24,980 thing aside from that which is like the 542 00:26:31,090 --> 00:26:27,410 yes or thumbs-up or thumbs-down kind of 543 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:31,100 thing now that's not a blanket reality 544 00:26:34,270 --> 00:26:32,330 as far as a corporate world because 545 00:26:36,610 --> 00:26:34,280 there's all kinds of like small 546 00:26:38,740 --> 00:26:36,620 competing corporations that feel angry 547 00:26:40,330 --> 00:26:38,750 at the big guys that won't let them play 548 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:40,340 the game competitively etcetera etcetera 549 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:45,050 so so how do you kind of approach this 550 00:26:50,890 --> 00:26:46,970 whole thing about like the overarching 551 00:26:52,780 --> 00:26:50,900 cloud of the negative orgone of the of 552 00:26:55,210 --> 00:26:52,790 the corporate reality in relation to 553 00:26:59,320 --> 00:26:55,220 that getting this past just the idea 554 00:27:01,300 --> 00:26:59,330 stage it's a very good point and the 555 00:27:05,470 --> 00:27:01,310 only way I know to answer is to say I 556 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:05,480 just don't care so I went I I helped 557 00:27:09,910 --> 00:27:07,010 organize and went to a conference about 558 00:27:11,170 --> 00:27:09,920 nine months ago on new energy was called 559 00:27:14,380 --> 00:27:11,180 a breakthrough energy movement to a 560 00:27:16,990 --> 00:27:14,390 conference and it was a big conference 561 00:27:18,340 --> 00:27:17,000 bigger than this actually and people 562 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:18,350 that there was one point in the 563 00:27:22,450 --> 00:27:19,610 conference where people actually 564 00:27:24,940 --> 00:27:22,460 applauded me for being there because I 565 00:27:26,530 --> 00:27:24,950 was the only academic who would show his 566 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:26,540 face at this thing 567 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:29,690 and so what you're saying is is 568 00:27:35,230 --> 00:27:33,410 absolutely right you know academics you 569 00:27:37,780 --> 00:27:35,240 just you don't go there you don't go 570 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:37,790 there and at this point I'd say I don't 571 00:27:43,860 --> 00:27:39,650 care I don't care what people think I 572 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:51,310 it's it's an uphill battle thank you for 573 00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:53,130 your contributions get it 574 00:28:02,380 --> 00:27:56,570 [Applause]